Keep up the good work! I look forward to others like this! Don't let em get you down. Your doing the right thing.

You people have to be kidding. You jump down his throat for quoting ancient Jewish poetry. Yes, it's Christian, but this doesn't make it any less of written art.
Secondly, it's a very good picture of a sonogram. The wallpapers are not all supposed to be about KDE anyway, just because you use KDE doesn't mean you want to worship it with your wallpaper.
This forum has degraded badly. Wallpaper stealing (from linuxcult.com) and now ridiculing someone who posts a psalm.

Grow up kids.

BTW, great wallpaper. I like it.

what in the world is going on? some people are saying that the picture is not related to kde, but what about the pictures of monica and all of the other stuff? chill out. You guys just hate Christianity. Point blank. Secondly, how can you prove that God does not exist? Please don't say evolution b/c it's just fiction. Check out drdino.com for more info. (P.S. the guy who owns the site is offering over 250,000 to anyone who can prove evolution true). You guys believe in evolution b/c that's all you have been taught. Take a look on the other side. Remember even professors can be wrong. What is a professor after all? Is he not only one who has been certified by a university?
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Keepin' it real, spreading the truth.
Rshadballer

I read your info, too... And I didn't find it very polite. According to it's last sentence, I think I don't have a life, and that's too bad.
I guess this website is not the best place to discuss religion, politics, beliefs...

Tim, I read your info and I had a few questions.

You stated "I have a son in Florida (from a previous marriage)." Isn't it true that you promised to God to love your previous wife until death do you part? There's really no basis for the morality of remarriage in the Bible...every time you screw your new wife, isn't that adultery in the eyes of god?

Also, you mentioned that God saved you from pornography. Did you like kiddie porn or any of that kind of twisted stuff by any chance? Your feverence for your religion seems to go beyond mere "interest"...you seem like one of those people who's done some really horrible things.

Thanks for clarifying.

That's not entirely fair. There is no reason to call into question his past here. If he thinks that his religion has helped him become a better person, than let's just leave it at that.

Can you not find a more appropriate forum to peddle your beliefs? Why don't you take a hint from you persistantly low ratings (32% at the time of posting) and stop posting this crap?

You are a troll plain and simple.

hmmm, checked faith to action.

remembered me of the following mail, I recieved some time ago. it was directed at Laura Schlessinger, someone who gives advice to ppl on the USA radio. she told homosexuallity is wrong, should be forbidden etc on ground of the bible (Leviticus 18:22). this is what someone wrote her:

ear Dr. Laura: Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding
God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and I try to share
that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend
the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus
18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some
advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to
follow them.

a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a
pleasing odour for the Lord (Lev. 1 :9). The problem is my neighbours. They
claim the odour is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

b) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21
:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her
period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I
tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offence.

d) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female,
provided they are purchased from neighbouring nations. A friend of mine
claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify?
Why can't I own Canadians?

e) I have a neighbour who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2
clearly states he should be put to death Am I morally obligated to kill him
myself?

f) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an
abomination (Lev. 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I
don't agree. Can you settle this?

g) Lev. 21 :20 states that 'I may not approach the altar of God if I have a
defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my
vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around
their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How
should they die?

i) I know from Lev. 11 :6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me
unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different
crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two
different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse,
and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of
getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev.24:10-16) Couldn't we
just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people
who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)?

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can
help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and
unchanging. Your devoted disciple and adoring fan.


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now you see how pathetic it is to take the old testament literally. thats just stupid. the new laws from the new testament (just 2: love God above all, and your neighbour as yourself) replace all other (old) laws.

This is beginning to feel like fark.com, lol.

What is your definition of tolerene?
"But I really don't like tolerance to be exploited by people who have little tolerance for different concepts of life"

Are you not exactly what you don't like? If you can't tolerate Timbrown527's wallpapers becasue it's a different concept of life? What do you mean by the last 200 years of science? I'm not saying I agree with timbrown527, but I would be hard pressed to say the proof exists there is no god and timbrown527 is wrong. How much knowledge of the universe do you poses. 5%? even if you hold that much knowledge can you say there is no proof of god and timbrown527's concepts in the other 95%? Another thing I would ask is, why are you so hostile to timbrown527 and christian concepts? Do they not have the same right as human beings to experess their opinions and idea's?

I have to assume that you answered to my post and by accident chose the wrong hyperlink. You appear today in this forum but unlike Tim I am not inclined to think that you therefore are him.

Are you not exactly what you don't like? If you can't tolerate Timbrown527's wallpapers becasue it's a different concept of life?

What makes you think that I don't tolerate Tim? Please quote. There's an FAQ on the net. It's called "learn to quote". Just google and thou shalt find it.

What do you mean by the last 200 years of science?

Tim frequently says that the multitudes of organisms didn't evolve but were made by some guy called god. I have to applaud him for not yet having said that it all happened in 7 days.

I'm not saying I agree with timbrown527, but I would be hard pressed to say the proof exists there is no god and timbrown527 is wrong.

Please get the facts right. I never mentioned having proof of the non-existence of god. Please quote me if you think I did. I always said that I have yet to see proof of god. If you don't get the difference, I can't help you. Nonetheless, Tim has as of yet not produced any proof of god. Which makes god a topic for belief but not for fact or knowledge. That is how science works. Show me the facts and it is scientific. If you say that I can not proof the non-existence of god, then you are right, but it is still not scientific. That's all I am saying. Tim likes to put god forward as a fact while I am merely saying that a fact needs a proof. Which he can't produce. I am getting so tired of this...

Another thing I would ask is, why are you so hostile to timbrown527 and christian concepts?

Am I hostile? I think not. Please quote me. Otherwise I have to assume that this is just your gut feeling, which is then only based on a subjective appraisal of the facts and not the facts themselves. Which makes you a prejudicial person.

Do they not have the same right as human beings to experess their opinions and idea's?


You make it sound as if christians were no human beings. Which is not very nice. You seem very intolerant. Getting back to your question: I think that everyone should be allowed to say everything. In an ideal world, that is. On the other hand, if I insult someone on national tv, can he sue me and win? Yes he can. Why is that? Because one's freedom ends where another person's freedom begins. That is my definition of tolerance. You are free to say or write anything as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else. And I will back it and fight for your right to do so.

Let's imagine I put up a wallpaper of Osama bin Ladin here. Would it hurt the feelings of the relatives of the people who have suffered from his terrorist operations? I think so. I wouldn't want that here, because that is where my tolerance ends, because it hurts someone.

Let's imagine I put up a wallpaper of a B-52 here. Would it hurt the feelings of the relatives of the Afghan civilians that were killed in Operation Enduring Freedom? I think so. That's why I wouldn't want it here.

Let's imagine I put up a wallpaper of Jesus shagging a sheep. Would it hurt the feelings of the people who choose to believe in Jesus? You bet it would. That's why I am not doing it. I want to stress the fact that there are things which make other people angry or hurt their feelings.

Tolerance is saying "it does offend me, but I think free speech is more important than my feelings." Tim doesn't realize that he is hurting lots of feelings. And he doesn't seem to wonder about where the expansion of his personal freedom starts to hurt the feelings of other people. There were several posters who actually put their hurt into words.

So if he is taking it for granted that he can post and say anything he likes, shouldn't I assume the same? Why are you picking on me instead of the guy who can not look beyond his cultural context?

If your definition of tolerance is different of mine then please consider the following wallpapers:

A propaganda picture of a suicide bomber
A picture of a rape
A picture of Kennedy with his brains out
A propaganda picture of Kim Yong Il (or whatever his name may be)
A propaganda picture of a guy being cruzified
A propaganda picture of Hitler or a swastika
A picture of Stalin

All of them are bound to hurt someone's feelings. I guess that is why we see so little of them. If your tolerance is boundless, then I bow to you and praise you, but most people are not that detached from their cultural life yet. Have pity on them and me and understand that some things are bound to provoke a reaction. My guess is that Tim is here merely for the sake of provoking a reation. And that, I don't like. Not in a forum which is dedicated to eye candy. You registered here today and your opinion is a contribution to the everchanging, ever different structure of this website. Please think about the people who have lived happily without Tim for a couple of years. And think about me who thinks that he is taking it a bit too far. It's in my opinion not intolerance, rather homedefense.

Soyburg, you said, "Nonetheless, Tim has as of yet not produced any proof of god. Which makes god a topic for belief but not for fact or knowledge. That is how science works. Show me the facts and it is scientific. If you say that I can not proof the non-existence of god, then you are right, but it is still not scientific. That's all I am saying."

I know I'm not addressing your main point here, which is not unfounded, but you *apparently* assert that the "theory" of evolution IS scientific in the following :

"'What do you mean by the last 200 years of science? '

Tim frequently says that the multitudes of organisms didn't evolve but were made by some guy called god. I have to applaud him for not yet having said that it all happened in 7 days."

You call evolution scientific? As I see it, you're as good as calling it fact. Just a question, but can you PROVE that evolution happened? Neither you, nor anyone alive was there when it happened. You can say all you want about the background radiation from the Big Bang, or the DNA similarities between us and the apes. **None of this constitutes proof; the scientific method does not apply, since evolution cannot be repeated NOR OBSERVED (think about all the missing links that were discredited, like Nebraska man).** People *believe* evolution -- it is not factually provable.

And that *is* their choice. However, don't go telling me evolution is science.

I'm not intending to flame or offend and I'm sorry if I have. It just irks me when "tolerant" people put this subtle intolerance into their language -- someone is ignoring science to believe in God. What rubbish.

*7 Days*

No, I'll NEVER agree that it was done in 7 days. It wasn't. It was done in *6*.

*No Scientific evidence*

That again. I've already told you before that the evidences for Christianity is not science but history and archaeology.

This is why I don't care to discuss things with you. That and your penchant for ad hominem attacks and straw-man arguments, which can be seen on other threads.

Don't even bother messaging me any longer...There's no point in it. I'm not here for your entertainment.

*fini*

Tim

"the evidences for Christianity is not science but history and archaeology"

Hmmmm...i think you just insulted a lot of historians and archeologists by implying they are not scientists. And there is a lot of the archeologic evidence that raises questions about the creation in 6 days....

While agreeing with the rest of your post, I'd like to say that it is mostly geological and palaeontological evidence that tell us about the early earth. Archaeology starts whith the appearance of human beings which (hope I get it right this time) happened on Saturday, according to the bible.

Oh well... 6 days then.

Saying *fini* is all polite and nice. But you see, there are lots of other comments around. If mine offend you, then just look at some others and find something to your taste. Thanks for keeping kde-look.org an open website.

Tim, I wanted to respond to your posting and to Soyburg's. To Soyburg: Science isn't all it's cracked up to be. Just 150 years ago doctors thought "bleeding" was a way to help the sick, yet know science shows otherwise. The lack of blood cells icreased the chance of infection spreading and posible death. I would conclude (without going farther due to lack of time) that science isn't always right. I disagree with tolerance stopping at hurting someone's feelings. Physically hurting is one thing, but words are just words, and wallpapers are just 1' & 0's. If you don't like them don't download them. From your postings I conclude you have the problem. You can't see past "your cultural context" which consists of your feelings. If someone wants to post an Osama bin Laden wallpaper, so be it. I won't download is, but that person has the right to do that. That may be eye candy for someone. Should that be stopped. Not at all. I did register yesterday, because I wanted to repond t this post. As I have seen in other postings you try to insult the itelligence of anyone who disagrees with you. How childish! Are you an adolecent? You logic seems to point that way. To Tim: From this and other postings you do make some good points. The oblisks of shalamancer (sp?) post an account from the old testament, which is an event fo event recording of a battle and offerings to the kings of a nation. That is not biblical text, however that can not be over looked. What agenda did a non-jewish nation and king have to promote god? None that I can find. I can't speak for the feelings of everyone, but this is what I feel. Tim, you have the right to post whatever you deem to be art. Soyburg, you have the right to "not" download so called art you don't like. "I think that everyone should be allowed to say everything. In an ideal world, that is". Well, not quoting you Soyburg, what keeps it from being a perfect world is people with this mentality. I have not seen tim be hostile to anyone in anything he has posted. All he does is state what he believes. It seems you believe you believe different. Maybe it's time to agree to disagree?

Sure, I have the problem. Can't look beyond my cultural context. Am childish and/or adolescent. Yes, I keep the world from being perfect. That's me.

I can't even spell tolerance.

"The oblisks of shalamancer (sp?) post an account from the old testament, which is an event fo event recording of a battle and offerings to the kings of a nation. That is not biblical text, however that can not be over looked. What agenda did a non-jewish nation and king have to promote god? None that I can find."

Thanks, noname. You're right; many times there are what we call "extra-biblical" accounts (accounts outside the bible) to historical events. That doesn't conflict with scripture but rather supports it's historicity, which is key to knowing that the Bible is reliable -- speaking accurately about the things on which it speaks.

There are other writings that give account of Noah's flood and other events as well -- again butressing the reliability of Scripture.

Again, noname, thanks.

Tim

how people who probably preach tolerance also believe that it only applies to them.
I see wallpapers that abound in pagan symbolism and satanic themes, and nobody gripes. Let some christian state their beliefs, and ppl come unwound.

I agree that the design has nothing to do with KDE, but it's hardly the only such wallpaper here.

Ease up on the guy; freedom and choice is wonderful. That's why we love KDE and the Free operating systems that it runs on. If the wallpaper offends, there are many others to look at.

It's not as amazing as you think, I think. I'd bash any satanistic or pagan wallpapers as well, but the only other quasi-religious wallpapers I've seen here were a parody of these, so I consider it satire, not pushing belief. And even there, I for one usually remark that they're crappy.

I don't feel too strong about christian wallpapers. It's more the combination of the crappy art, the crappy message and the attitude of the author (Take a look at his signature and the dumb and insulting 'test' it links to) that makes me crazy. And if he's allowed to say that science is a joke and only fools would believe that humans behave other than coke cans, then I claim the right to say what I think about his stuff.

Actually I think it has more to do with this pervert more than anything else. Sure there are other non-kde wallpapers, but this dweeb scams some image off the web runs it through some gimp script and adds a bloody god-related quote about once a day if not more often. No thought, no creativity; go figure. There is nothing artistic or useful in this, hence the choice of pervert to describe him; he a plagarist and a bad one at that. Normally it is easy enough to ignore such idiocy, but daily inundation is a bit much.

If the wallpaper offends, there are many others to look at.

It's not the wallpaper that I am offended by. I am offended by Tim's tendency to deny the last 200 years of science. And in the case of this particular wallpaper it's the organization he credits the picture to that offends me. You may hold a different opinion, but please visit their website and read a few of their articles about women, family, evolution, gay marriages, separation of state and church, ... Maybe then you'll get a notion about the kind of tolerance that these people (and I see Tim in that corner) are preaching.

Tolerance is all nice and good. But I really don't like tolerance to be exploited by people who have little tolerance for different concepts of life. Does that make me intolerant?

Intolerance of Christianity is the last remaining intolerance tolerated by the tolerance police.

i agree!