KDE CC/IC, Konqueror, KMail (IN CVS)

Various KDE 1.-4. Improvements

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UPDATE: (01/31/05):

I just wanted to update everyone and thanks those responsible and all the people that have helped me along the way.

I appears (thanks Jeff and Mr. Riddell) that it has, hold your drinks, been put into the latest CVS. I am busting with happiness and not much on speeches :)

UPDATE: (01/02/05):

Finished. The final, polished, versions of about:knoqueror, Info Center/Control Center, and KMail.

UPDATE: (01/01/05):

Ok, first off sorry to keep bumping this to the top with updates ;) This is going to be the last one till the final set is complete (Which should be hopefully tomorrow, we'll see how my inpiration hits me). I have reworked much of the boxes, added some polish and am going to give each client its own background. I would like to have the text use a scroll bar instead of the resizing currently being used but dont know if thats going to be feasible or not (crossing fingers). Idealy I would like the text restricted to a somewhat small font but that wont particularly matter if its got a toolbar. Anyway I am hoping everything goes well, the devs like it enough to want to get it into KDE 3.4 (they have as much of my help as humanly possible in that field). I am really hoping on talking to one of the devs about how to actual get it in there as its still very much a bunch of pixels in a PNG file at this point ;) Anyway, I just wanted to keep everyone updated and thank them again for their support.

UPDATE: (12/30/04):

I have officially entered it into the KDE Artist mailing list. I have spoken with someone and he would like to see changes made to KMail and about:konqueror as well and they will see what they can do about sneaking it into KDE 3.4. I have begun work on KMail and doing the about page for Konqueror shouldnt be to hard.

They are all still perliminary but its looking good to have the changes made to these programs. It is still very early and things may fall apart during the coding stage as some code will need to be changed but its atleast rolling.

Wanted to thank everyone for their tremendous support.

UPDATE: (12/29/04):

I have been playing around with the actual KCC now. KCC and KIC both call upon PNGs located in %KDEINSTALL%/share/apps/kcontrol/pics. I have modified some of those PNGs to create actual working models. It doesnt resize and it basically will only work for me (or anyone else who is running the identical font and window size) but this is actually what my KCC looks like.

I have emailed KDE and await an answer but I guess this 3rd entry is an example of how you could theme your KCC to your specific disro :)

I find the graphics in the KDE Control Center really need an overhaul. I would love KDE to set itself apart become much more pleasing to the eye. They still hold many "80'ish" design styles (Lets also get plastik or is derivatives to the default style huh guys?) and really need to push into the 21st century with some of the graphically beautiful features that are available.

(KDE logo from the truly fantastic wallpaper by skullbooks)
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15 years ago

Info/Control Center (Screenshot 1)
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KMail (Sreenshot 2)
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about:konqueror (Screenshot 3)

mononoke

16 years ago

hi, would you provide the base-picture(s) of this picture ?
i think about creating a full-screen splash-screen based on this control-center (startpage) design.
thx

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pfefferberg

16 years ago

Excellent! Nothing more to add.

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Cypress

16 years ago

I think it looks nice. I would like to have a prettier Control Center... :)

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MamiyaOtaru

16 years ago

After stumping for Plastik (and thereby dogging keramik), he presents shots so dripping with eyecandy my teeth hurt.

Everyone loved keramik at first, and judging by the approval rating, everyone loves this. Give it time though, and just like everyone wants plastik now instead, people would be begging for something more subdued for the control center.

Remember how keramik turned out, don't go hog wild with some other part of KDE.

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lokheed

16 years ago

Whatevers in. So we should all go back to commandline because styles go out of date? Pishposh. When this style becomes outdated, then it will be updated. I will never just lie down and live in a world of ugliness...I will always strive to make things more pleasent on the eyes...

Your solution is to never invent anything and always sit idly by and wait for life to pass you by in your brown car, white house and steril environment, not I. I want a masterpiece in every program and in every screen. When this gets tiresome, KDE 4.5 will get an update and so on. Its called evolution and why long hair and side burns used to be all the rage back in the 60's...our styles change and their is no reason our programs shouldnt as well.

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Corven

16 years ago

I like it - a lot.

That said, I'd like to propose an 'advanced', user-activated option to show verbose output of file changes made along the way. What better way to show newbies how to make custom changes on their own through the commandline, but also give experienced users what they might need to know for debugging.

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lokheed

16 years ago

Thats actually a great idea. I like using GUIs dont get me wrong, but I also hate being cut out of what goes on behind the scenes...I think if this gets off the ground, KCC can be expanded to add all kinds of nuances...I think as long its elegently added, no ammount of additional information is going to be a bad idea...

Hopefully porting this new look wont be that hard.

I again would like to thank everyone for their support. I have received numerous emails offering help or just a kind word.

jbailey is going to take a look at implementing this so I will working in the background supplying anything he needs (graphically) and we will see if this goes well. *Crossing fingers*

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jbaileys

16 years ago

LOL, well, work would progress if you replied to your emails!!! :P

Incidentally, I have this working on my computer now - its not perfect, and I need more stuff from lokheed to see if I can get everything looking as close to his screenshot as possible.
Expect a patch in a few days (if all goes to plan!)

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Corven

16 years ago

Awesome - I'm looking forward to the first release!

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hugorodrig

16 years ago

This is simply awesome!

Please get it into KDE 3.4, please!

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alzen676

16 years ago

home kde devs team will add like this control center to 3.4 version.

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lokheed

16 years ago

Wow, I think its safe to say the majority like the look and I am very glad it met with such high approval.

I have been reading through all of the posts and got an email from Baily wanting to attempt this. Reading from this post about not allow png's that contain text is going to be cumbersome to overcome. I think KDE Control Center should be called KDE Control Center in any language and I think the current layout of KCC is what sells it. Would love to stear clear of ugly fonts and bringing it down to that 80'ish feel again...but not a coder so will see what happens.

For the person that had a problem with the descriptions: open KCC and tell me what the descriptions say in Appearacence & Themes...yeah thats right, I didnt change most of them...besides thats all moot. Consider them place holders, that stuff is really minor to change: THINK BIGGER!

Yes 2.6.10 is ready to use, not a lemon like 2.6.8 and 2.6.9.

I know I forgot a ton of people and some replies I wanted to post, my apologies.

Anyway I am going to refine a few things and send them to Bailey and see if we cant get this up and running. Again thanks for all the support and Merry Xmas :D

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manor

16 years ago

I like your mockup very much!

It fits perfectly to a new fresh kde 4.
A clean and beautiful look without any
similarities to windows.

Wow !
Please keep on!

And Merry Christmas :)

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scream

16 years ago

It does indeed look nice, but do you really think that making themes for everything is useful?
KControl must use the default KDE widgets in order to look familiar and intuitive. Some of you are probably using Windows, too, and I guess many of you are angry of those programs that have their own GUI style - e.g. B's Recorder Gold or several driver programs (I bought Nero, allthough my DVD burner delivered B's Recorder Gold 8 because I hated the GUI).

Of course, KControl may have it's own widgets, but in general it should use the default KDE widgets. It's a program, not a website!

What KControl really needs is a new arrangement of it's components, a new, thoughtout layout for the widgets of the components and a plugin interface to make it easy for other programs to integrate themselves into KControl.

But isn't there already a plugin interface in KControl? As far as I remember, you can select 'KControl plugin' as an option when starting a new project in KDevelop. Maybe someone else who's more familiar with that can tell more about it :-/.

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lokheed

16 years ago

Of course I think making themes for everything are useful. You dont have to use them if you dont want them...leave it as default, doesnt matter if they are available does it?

My dream is to customize KDE is anyway possible, making every element changeable and bringing together themes in a universal manner. No more this program looks like this and that one looks like that, and that one has ugly icons and this one doenst pick up Nuvola and that one doesnt register my pointer icons, this one doesnt look anything like the rest of KDE, the theme doesnt apply to that one, etc. etc. etc.

I want a magnificent DE that can be arranged and customized without hacking and patching. A DE that blasts anything else out there out of the water. One that will allow a perfect union of graphical perfection and stability: out of the box. It already pushes far ahead of Windows in decorating ability, but we need more. I want every element of KDE to look incredible...sorry if that doesnt fit your tastes but you can run ugly themes or none at all if you like. You can go back to the ugly KDE2 and KDE1 look littered in screenshots of KDE and be happy--that doesn concern me. What does concern me is pushing KDE is something that, when setup correctly, will cause anyone to drool and feel just a little sexual aroused by how good everything looks and how well they intergrate to keep the theme fluidity. Maybe thats a more apt description of where I am coming from with this.

I have always been an artist and I have always pushed to make my OS beautiful. In Windows I was forced to use 3rd party tools and still elements could not be changed...since KDE is open source and the possibilities are endless, I can hopefully start making that dream a reality.

To have such a strong community and so many great minds, I think this dream is within reach and maybe one day, will become a reality...

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scream

16 years ago

Well, actually I think we're not talking about the same things:

I was talking about that I don't like the idea that every program has it's OWN theme (with it's own themeing engine).

I think you mean that KDE needs a better theme engine. I fully agree with that, but I don't see no point in letting every app design it's own buttons.

Imagine what a chaos there would be on your desktop - it's already a problem now with the different toolkits - GTK, Java, Qt. I agree that KDE themes should be much more flexible, but if every program has it's own theme, own icons, own colours, own fonts - it's just a mess!!

Maybe you could tell me more exactly wether you're talking about the KDE themeing engine or themes for every program as it's hard for me to discuss this without knowing what you're exactly talking about :D.

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jbaileys

16 years ago

I just wanted to point out that in KControl, widgets are NOT used at all.
The pages are simply information pages containing text, with the rest of the display being pictures. In this respect, having it themeable so you can change the visuals is a great idea.
The plugins in KControl that change the System settings remain entirely the same. Changing your Window Decorations (e.g. Plastik, or Keramik), will change the look of the buttons and other widgets for all applications system wide. That would remain the same even if the above patch is made available.

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scream

16 years ago

Yeah, well I thought he wanted to theme the buttons and all the rest, too :).

But now I like the idea :).

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lokheed

16 years ago

Yup, thats why I dont know where the problem is ;)

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lokheed

16 years ago

You lost me. I want to change the default images in KCC to the ones you see. There are no widgets involved, no radical theming changes...I dont know where you are coming from.

If you are using KDE 3.3.2 and open the KCC and compare my proposal with what you have, what are the differences?

The images are changed...thats it. There arent any widgets in KCC that have changed, no buttons, you completely lost me on what the subject. I dont understand what your concerns are. All I want to do is get rid of the 80ish looks of KCC and update it with new images and a new look...but there arent any widgets involved. No buttons to speak of. I mean when you click on the menu item Appearance & Themes and look to the right, can you click on any buttons? All I get are links to each section...

What I am talking about is theming this. The ability to add your on custom background images and maybe small layour changes if any. You have a custom KDE Splash Theme going? Do you think thats out of order and all Splash Themes should look identical? Thats all I want, that level of theming for the KCC...

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scream

16 years ago

"perhaps even themes could be made in the same way that themes exist for the splash screens..."

Well, I actually thought you just mentioned KCC as an example and wanted themes for nearly everything in KDE, and that's what I wouldn't agree with. I thought you wanted a KDE style engine that allows designing programs like websites, and I don't think this is useful. (I hope you now get my point)

Well, but a theme plugin only for that little thing in KCC could be nice. It might also be useful for PR reasons: Imagine which good platform this would give for distributors to get their logos on your desktop - a SuSE theme in KCC. Of course, you can still switch to other themes.

ATI already did this with their new themeable Control Center on Windows.

Well, I finally like your idea, now that I understand your point :).


PS: I hope you now also got what I was talking about all the time... :-/

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lokheed

16 years ago

Yep, now I understand. No I certainly dont want to do that. I dont much care for a "weberlized" KDE myself. Not a big fan of anything that heavy into XML.

I think you see were I am coming from now with this and yes, the possiblities are quite plentiful. A "Gentoo" theme was next on my list but with it themeable, it could really gain some ground for use...

I think things like this should not be overlooked to push KDE into bigger pastures :)

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aliceoutchains

16 years ago

I give this a big yes. It looks cool. It's still nice and clean and brings good eye candy to KDE desktop. REALLY COOL!

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mETz

16 years ago

Changing a few pixmaps does not really make kcontrol easier for users, the problems are:
- descriptions
- categories (this kde-components category is ugly)
Therefore I don't think this proposal makes much sense (it does not look nice though).

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jbaileys

16 years ago

Thats the entire purpose.. to make it look nice!

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