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Kicker Panel

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I have tried to make my menu/kicker idea useable, subtle and expandable.

The idea came from those trading card games, you make your deck depending on how you work and each card in your deck is part of your overall strategy.

I have only really showed 2 'cards' here, the Information center and the taskbar, but you can have as many as you like with whatever application/function you want on them.

there are further explanations on the screen shots.

THIS IS JUST AN IDEA: the download is just the first screenshot.

There is a chance that this might become a reality. A source forge project has been started by hyrcan at http://sourceforge.net/projects/slicker

If you know any developers that could help please get them to go there and get involved.

I am working on an interactive flash version of the idea so you can play about with how it works. WARNING, it will be quite a rough impression of the hopefully finished thing works.
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18 years ago

I have been listening...

1) I have removed the taskbar card and replaced it with transparent taskbar at the top of the screen

2) I have moved the kmenu button underneath the quick launch buttons on the main menu card (which is all in one by the way, just twice the height of the others), so now the kmenu is in the bottom left hand corner, just where it should be

3) I renamed the taskbar card 'Mail Center' but that really means nothing I just wanted a quick title for it.

gnemmi

18 years ago

as simple as that...

this is the best idea i've seen in a long time, hope you can make it come true !

sorry to say that i can not help coding because i'm neither a programmer nor a designer nor anything related to computer sciences, fact is that I'm a lawyer :(

but rest assured that i will provide as much beta testing as possible and will try to contribute with as much ideas as i have available, as well as with the kind of critiscism needed to improve things as much as possible :)

thanks for your effort !

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leinir

18 years ago

This is, as many have pointed out, possibly the best idea to be released since sliced bread. Now, as soon as I am done writing this message, I will be clicking on "good" and then be off to join the project.
One thing that hit me is the name. Slicker is an adjective and this, being a thing, ought to really be named a noun. Thinking so, I thought that the 'Dock' first envisioned for the NeXTStep OS was equally new, and so it would seem like a good idea to name this equally simple and simply call it the 'Deck'. Any comments, people?
Also, re the taskbar. People have pointed out that many people use the Mac style menus in KDE. This is very true, and a simple solution to the problem of the taskbar being in the same place would seem to be to simply move it to the other side of the screen.
Also, to make everything easier for developers and their likes, to make the system plugin based (completely) would seem the simplest way of working it. This way, very small groups of developers could work on each card. Extreme Programming could thus be implemented and we could get us some results with a speed like nothing else... Thoughts?
In case you now thing "Hey, this guy is talking out his *rse" I am very sorry. I am very enthusiastic about the project and am simply hoping to be able to contribute to it the best I can.

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fop

18 years ago

I had no idea this would possibly become real. I think it would be worthwhile coming up with ideas for cards.

I personally would like a cross program palette so I can create a range of colours for a website or image and if I have to use 2 or 3 different progs to do it I don't have to put in all the colours again.

The bloke that has set up the source forge project must be in a different time zone to me, he is going to make me a co-admin so I can upload some doc/ideas and stuff.

I like your idea of different groups coming up with their own cards, nice.
and there is another idea for thumnalizing (and ripping off other peoples ideas) here:http://www.kdelook.org/content/show.php?content=4138 so no real need for a taskbar

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leinir

18 years ago

What exactly do you mean with that... I don't quite follow there :) Though the ease of use is something we of course have to stride after ;)

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fop

18 years ago

being a designer, I use quite a lot of different graphics/layout programs. For each project I have I usually have to come up with a range of colours which I have to set up in each program I use.

the idea of a separate pallette card would be that I would have an independant set of colours that I could drag or paste into any program.

other ideas are:

library card - bookmarks, man pages, help files, etc to help beginners
project manager card - easy access to project files

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leinir

18 years ago

Right, now I get it, I thought you were talking about while designing the cards themselves or somesuch. Yes, a palette card would most definately be a good idea, as would all the other ideas you put up there. This is of course one of the main things about your idea being plugin-based, if you want something there, a plugin can be made to make it possible. Like, say, a palette (though this would require programmers to support that particular card, if not the card could copy the colour code (html/rgb/whatever) to the clipboard, to enable pasting it into the program you happen to be using at any one time) :)

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leinir

18 years ago

As for the taskbar, it would be (fairly) simple to make use of the thumbnails as icons for the taskbar as well. Possibly it would be an idea to make the icons bigger when the mouse is over it, possibly... But that's for the people that make the taskbar card to decide on, really ;)

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aliceoutchains

18 years ago

I like the text labels above the icons. It would be cool if they placed text labels underneath the icons in kicker.

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lordion

18 years ago

Wow. That's about it. Wow. Amazing.
I've been desperate for a dreamer to
give us a new metaphor for guis.
hate desks.Let us know when the
sourceforce dillyo is up. I will
debug, alpha/beta/gamma test this.
I might learn C++/qt just to help.

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liquidrock222

18 years ago

...the hell you guys need me to do. I 'm sort of good at debuggind code that i didn't write and don't know shit about :-P. I don't do c++ but i could learn, and of course i too will "alpha/beta/gamma test", as well as delta test :-D. Let me know what I can do

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mendred

18 years ago

Let the close button will appear soemwhere in the left corner where the K button is.

Have an option of a sticky card, If the sticky option is removed, the card disappears when the mouse is moved off (kind of like the taskbar thingummy in windows) that way everybody is happy.

Just a suggestion make the K bigger definitely like a logo kind of thing (on two rows) and let the quick launch items appear in two rows. This will distinguish this as a special K card.

Now if the cards can be translucent when not selected this would make them convinient to stay on top sort of thing, even if u are running a window fullscreen. Or u can have a special card key to make them appear even when ur running a window fullscreen.

These are just suggestions. I spent sometime trying to visualise the practical implications of using cards and his is what i came up with. Hope these are useful.

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vslick

18 years ago

jstarship. i could come in and help.

is kde written in c++ if so yeah i can help. Im not brilliant but if soem one can give me some instructions on kde development the basics then we can get this rolling. BUt im final year uni so have a lot of other crap going on around me so might not be able to spend a heck of a lot of time on it. mosfet's help would be appreciated.. mosfet you listening ??

so jstarship / fop start up a sour ceforge project maybe kde developers will step in and give guidance too. This will be excellent.


fop man your idea might become a reality woohoo..

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lordion

18 years ago

yeah, man kde is c++/qt. I would start looking at the 3.1 qt stuff(if i could code my way out of a paper sack...). http://doc.trolltech.com/3.1/

The KDE project has great developer infos at http://developer.kde.org/

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fop

18 years ago

I did get your email but I have been drinking heavily to celebrate having one good idea in my life.

A couple of people have emailed me about coding, so a sourceforge erm, thing should be started. So if you want to do what needs doing there that would be cool. I would like to have admin access (or whatever it is) so I can upload the graphics n' stuff and help out in my none coding way.

thanks.

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mathjazz

18 years ago

(1) We need new content section on kdelook.org for innovative things. Frank?

(2) It looks like we have no coders available for innovative uploads, so this kind of uploads don't make any sense. I hope I'm worng. Is it so? Mosfet? qwertz? Anyone else?

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Ashari

18 years ago

This is a truly innovative concept.. and it didn't come from Xerox, Apple, MS or even IBM!

Who says you have to have billions of dollars in order to innovate?

Now if only someone would step forward and code it. I'll provide all of the beta testing that you would ever need, and as much money as I could spare to keep the caffeine flowing :-)

Let me know if you are interested (Mosfet, are you listening?) and I'll help as much as I can.

Regards,
Steven
stevenNOSPAM.knightswood.net

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Lovechild

18 years ago

Very innovative, I think this would be nice for KDE4.

This is require some clever coding I'm sure but it would be worth it overall since it would.

1) make KDE more task oriented
2) provide a truely personal desktop

Another benefit with this design is that we become more GUI designwise independent of M$.

Now tell me who to throw money at to get this designed and implemented in the KDE framework...

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fop

18 years ago

you can throw money at me if you like - but I'm not a coder :(

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jstarship

18 years ago

I sent you an email yesterday. Ready for duty, fop!

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vslick

18 years ago

really nice idea.

i aint got no complaints its original thats what i like about it. and very nice looking it infact reminds me a bit of suns gui. But very different, still.

[rant -- ignore not intended as flame bait or whatever just me getting fed up of a few windows users i know]

why do windows users expect linux to conform to windows ?

the further away linux gui's goes away from windows look and feel and establish their own look and feel the happier ill be.

It will show hey linux aint a windows clone. Linux has nothing to do with windows. but hey thats my opinion.
[ /rant ]

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mendred

18 years ago

This is lovely. it is a revolutionary concept.

But just a small suggestion. Can the K button alone not be made a card? My idea is like a maybe a right triangular K button (A bit curved on the hypoteneuse convexing towards the edge of the screen or jagged?) expanding to both rows of the card, and quick luanch items appearing in both the rows.

(This way the K is on
the edge nobody can miss it :)

When u click the K button the card along with he quick lauch shoots up but the K remains at the left bottom.

Why I am asking this is I have this habit of clicking K to launch the menu and clicking K again to close it, in case i suddenly change my mind. In ur pic the logout button appears where the k would normally be after the card is selected :).Call me lazy but a card does nullify this advantage of a menu.

i also think a bigger K button would be more helpful. That way even ppl switching from windows will have a easier time.("Hey there is that big K sticking out against the smaller buttons, it has to be the start button"):)

What do u think ppl?

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fop

18 years ago

that the menu would close when you moved the cursor away from it, but having said that it wouldn't hurt to have a close button at the bottom of the menu card.

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mendred

18 years ago

Let the close button will appear soemwhere in the left corner where the K button is.

Have an option of a sticky card, If the sticky option is removed, the card disappears when the mouse is moved off (kind of like the taskbar thingummy in windows) that way everybody is happy.

Just a suggestion make the K bigger definitely like a logo kind of thing (on two rows) and let the quick launch items appear in two rows. This will distinguish this as a special K card.

Now if the cards can be translucent when not selected this would make them convinient to stay on top sort of thing, even if u are running a window fullscreen. Or u can have a special card key to make them appear even when ur running a window fullscreen.

These are just suggestions. I spent sometime trying to visualise the practical implications of using cards and his is what i came up with. Hope these are useful.




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PARENA

18 years ago

Valid point, now that you mention it. I do it as well: click to open the menu, "wait, I'm not going there..." and click to close it again.

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design

18 years ago

I'm impressed; this is a terrific concept well worth implementing.

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18 years ago

I have been listening...

1) I have removed the taskbar card and replaced it with transparent taskbar at the top of the screen

2) I have moved the kmenu button underneath the quick launch buttons on the main menu card (which is all in one by the way, just twice the height of the others), so now the kmenu is in the bottom left hand corner, just where it should be

3) I renamed the taskbar card 'Mail Center' but that really means nothing I just wanted a quick title for it.

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Kicker Panel

Kicker is the main panel used in K Desktop Environment 3 and earlier. Together with KDesktop, it forms the graphical shell. It can be customized by the user. By default, it has the K Menu, a Desktop Access button, a Home button, a Konqueror button, a Kontact button, and a Help button. Wikipedia